My Hero(es), Your Zero(es)

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My Hero(es), Your Zero(es)

Post by Supernovae » Thu Jul 06, 2006 1:46 am

<a href="http://www.socialdeviancy.com/cgi-bin/v ... .jpg"><img src="http://www.socialdeviancy.com/gfx/thumb ... bottle.jpg" width="166" height="120" border="0" align="left"></a>While riding home from Maine yesturday, I had the most unfortunate "pleasure" of listening to ten seconds of Bette Midler's classic "Wind Beneath My Wings". I quickly donned the headphones to my MP3 player and put on something more suited to my taste. But, while I was listening to my music I couldn't help but think of my heroes.

Most American males would write up a famous athelete, their parents, or those that really played an educational role in their lives.

I don't think that any of the famous sports players could ever be considered a role model to me. Take baseball for example, today's baseball players are "wonderful" role models. Nothing short of using these to help out a sore pitching arm. Maybe a jolt of these to add some pop in the old bat. Who needs guys like Palmeiro or Bonds? Not me, no way.

And the same thing with football. There have been many football players who feel that they are in complete control of their life. Nothing can stop these supermen of steel. With free alcohol and fast cars or motorcycles these men of steel, like Rothlisberger, fly like birds and speeding bullets. And who could ever forget the Dallas Cowboys infamous wide receiver Michael Irvin who passed out marijuana to team mates and other drug dealers. What a role model he is. I am quite sure that football players also use these because Lord knows that the sure mechanics of a 300+ pound man are mind boggling. I want to know how the hell a 300+ pound offensive lineman can run a sub-5.0 in the 40 yard dash. Do we see a pattern here?

Hockey is no different. The same thing with rugby and other "popular" sports. I probably could think of a few sports that are worse than basketball, but not many. All you do is dribble, shoot the ball, dribble, shoot, dribble, shoot, foul, shoot, dribble. If it was an important game, close score and minutes to go until the game was over then I would be remotely interested. But these basketball players are seemingly invincible too! The fighting is unbelieveable. Take this one for example, nut punch. Sport athletes today sodomize and rape young women and make more money per game than most people amount to in a lifetime. To some of you that might be the best aspect of pro-athletes. But to me, I think it is senseless and degrading.

You're probably thinking, "Ok, SRR, since you are bashing all sports players as heroes, who IS your hero? Or will you cheap out and go with the traditional 'my father'?"

Very good question! When I think of my hero, I look for a level playing field. I look for something that I can get involved in and not have to rely on drugs, alcohol or steroids to enhance my attributes. Suffice to say, I have many heroes. My heroes are gamers, those that play in the same game that I do (because I purchase a game and find others to play with). In every game that I play, whether online or offline, I look for the person who is at the top of the game (no pun intended). What better way to challenge yourself than to build up your skillset and one day BEAT your hero? How many of you can say that you beat your hero? (Those that choose their father as a hero and subsequently beat him need not apply!)

So, I ask this - who is your hero, and why?
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Post by seajayjay » Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:47 am

Lsd and Steriods are my hero buddy, : P Really i'd say one of the people to make an impact on my life would be my elementry school mentor he was freind of my mom and me he taught me verious things like dc wiring and a little common scince. he would always give me some kind of electronic part every time he visited me. He seemed to be understanding and was enterested in the things i was enteresed in and he always had somthing to talk to me about.

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Post by Venomous » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:25 am

Okay, before I answer the question, I'd like to say a few words.

Firstly, welcome to Mike as SocDev's first guest article author. It came to me recently that unless I start just telling old stories from my past, my life is nowhere NEAR interesting enough to keep up any kind of "blog", so Mike signed on to help me keep content on the site during times that my pointless existence leaves me writer's blocked. So thanks Mike.

Secondly, my obligatory CJJ burn - it's a real shame your elementary school mentor wasn't an English teacher, then maybe you'd make some sense! Actually, he kinda sounds like a pedophile. If some "family friend" had taken that much "special interest" in me as a child, I think my father would have kicked the shit out of him.

Thirdly, in response to Mike's theories on sporting "heroes", I couldn't agree more - I think the very term "sporting hero" is a disgusting oxymoron which is highly indicative of the decline of our society. War makes heroes. Revolution makes heroes. History makes heroes. Kicking/throwing/batting a ball around a little bit faster/better/more accurately than other men who kick/throw/bat a similar ball around doesn't make you a hero. It makes you an idiot who should get a real fucking job. The fact that these people are raised to superhuman status by our society and paid salaries that even doctors and surgeons will never get, frankly fucking disgusts me.

Now, what do *I* think makes a hero?

Personally, I think a hero is somebody whose name is never forgotten. Somebody who makes a legacy for themselves that is marked in the history books. Somebody for whom, generations after their death, people will still remember who they were and what they did.

And here's the twist - I believe that stands regardless of the reasons for their fame.

I know this will probably come back to haunt me, when I'm rich and famous some papparazzi asshole will dig up this article and try to use it to bury me, but I'm going to take a chance here and say what I really think...

I think, one good example of a hero, is Adolf Hitler.

Now, settle down. Don't start telling all your friends to boycott this "racist site" until you've heard me out here.

History is simply a record made by those in power. The guy that lost the war will always be the bad guy. If the Axis had won WWII, do you think Hitler would have gone down in history as a genocidal monster? No, he'd be painted as a hero, like the Allied leaders are today. But I digress.

Hitler was a man who had a vision, a dream. And no matter how morally wrong some, or even most, people may consider that dream to be, nobody can argue the fact that he came very close to making his dream come true.

Forget for one moment everything you know about Adolf Hitler. Forget the genocide, forget the concentration camps and the wars and the hate. Let's imagine a simple man from simple roots, and we'll call him... Adam Hitcher.

Now, for this one man, born with no more resources than any of us, to have an idea, a hope, a dream, and to push that dream so far that it literally changes the face of the entire world as we knew it, and in the end, to become one of the most famous men who has ever lived... that's an achievement!!

What if Adam Hitcher's dream was to cure cancer, or end world hunger, or achieve world peace? If he'd gone at it with the passion, the intensity, and with the support and success that Adolf Hitler went after his goals, what might the world be like today?

Say what you will about the wrongness of Hitler's deeds - 99% of literate people in the entire civilized world know the name of Adolf Hitler. As will the next generation, and the one after that, and so on.

And what I think people tend to forget, is that Adolf Hitler was not one man who acted alone. He wasn't some Marvel supervillian who took on the world by himself. At the peak of his reign, Hitler had half the world on his side. When Hitler was defeated, of course that half recanted and have spent the rest of history apologizing for it, but if he had won, do you think that would have been the case? No, the world picked sides, fairly evenly I might add, and one side lost. And that side became the "bad guys".

Anyways, I'm digressing as usual. I don't want any nancyass sensitive readers to think that I'm saying that my hero is Adolf Hitler. I'm just saying, I admire the dedication and passion it must take to have a dream, and push that dream so hard that it changes the entire world forever. To be somebody that the children's children's children's children's children of both your friends and your enemies will still speak the name of. I know there are countless other figures, "good guys" in our history books, who might have made better examples to prove my point, but I wanted to really emphasize that to me, it's not about the deed, it's about the impact.

Neil Armstrong. Martin Luther King. Albert Einstein. Long after every man who's ever been in the newspaper because he kicked or threw a ball has been forgotten forever, these names will live on. Because these are the people that really matter.

My heroes are people who stand up and change the entire world. Not just the outcome of some pointless sports game.
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Post by Mythic » Mon Jul 10, 2006 7:52 am

hmmmmm, for someone to be a hero that would imply a certain amount of respect existed on my part and I can't say that for Adolf Hitler, the man was what he hated, so even genocide being pushed out of the way, his own lack of self esteem was hardly hero worthy. Hitler had Jewish blood as did the rest of his family, he spent his years in power trying to keep that hidden while he tried to rid the world of everyone else with Jewish blood. So, in my mind even if he did accomplish his dream for a short while, the dream it's self was flawed and not something that comes from the heart of a true hero.

Answers.com definition of a hero is as follows: A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life: soldiers and nurses who were heroes in an unpopular war.

Hitler had no courage or nobility. Even the deaths he caused he didn't have the guts to carry out himself.

As far as my own heroes, anybody that I look up to and respect. There are people that I've known in day to day life that I would regard as heroes. Most famous people I don't care two cents about. So, it's really hard to say for me. Although, people that walk thru Hell and come out on the other side a better person and stronger for it instead of choosing to dwell on it and let it tear them apart are heroes as well.
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Post by Venomous » Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:07 am

Cute, way to NON-answer the question there by diverting attention to Hitler in the hopes that nobody would notice you didn't really say anything about what you think makes a hero. =P

FWIW, I didn't say that Hitler's deeds made him a hero to me. I just said that people whose actions cause them to be remembered - regardless of whether they're revered or reviled - forever, are heroic to me. So many people today are considered heroes just for being pretty or rich or good at sports. I think a real hero is somebody whose legacy, whatever that legacy is, lives on endlessly after their physical death.

Of course, I also have other opinions on what makes a hero in different ways. I think that police, firefighters, and doctors are all heroes every day when they put their lives at risk to save the lives of others. My legacy concept was merely one of my perspectives on what makes somebody heroic to me.

None of my opinions though, ever include a sportsperson being a hero.
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Post by MP81 » Mon Jul 10, 2006 1:28 pm

Hey man, Hitler did do some good things... I mean, he issued the construction of the Autobahn, and he also saw the need for a "People Car", also known as the Beetle (though he did screw the original designer/engineer of the car, and gave the designs to Porsche). The beetle became one of the best selling cars ever, if not the best. Now, I do not agree with what Hitler did and how he did it, however, their record keeping was probably the best that you'll ever find in any day and age. The way they tracked the "evil-doers" as they called them, was looking back into their history to see if any jewish-blood "found its way" into their own personal culture. That type of work would be amazing, but the speed and efficiency that they did it is incredible!

Yeah, sports heros, for the most part, are not people to look up to, however, I would have to say that there are some, though rare, that, usually retired when looked up upon, are incredible role models. One of those, to me, is Steve Yzerman, who just retired from the Detroit Red Wings. This guy was incredible, and was Captain for 20 out of the 22 years on the team. He hasn't been busted for steroids, or pot, or cocaine or even abuse to his wife/girlfriend... THAT is a true Sports Hero.
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Post by Hero of the Day » Mon Jul 10, 2006 9:07 pm

Venomous wrote: I think that police, firefighters, and doctors are all heroes every day when they put their lives at risk to save the lives of others.
I agree to an extent, however I cannot categorically lump all firefighters or police officers into this category. For me to consider them a hero, they have to do something above and beyond the call of duty. (ok here goes pissing some people off) I cannot honestly agree with all the 9/11 first responders being lumped as heroes. Those men and women had a job to do and they did it, this is a sign of bravery to me but does not make them heroes. There was no warning or indication at any point that the situation would lead to massive casualties among their ranks. If this had been the case, the Incident commander(s) would have ordered their people back or never let them enter the structure.

Now for what I consider a hero. A hero is someone who goes above and beyond their call of duty.
some examples of people I consider heroes?
the people who tried to retake United flight 93, ultimatelly sacrificing their own lives to save others.
Two more examples are Sgt. First Class Randy Shughart and Master Sgt. Gary Gordon. These men (army special forces snipers) voluntarily inserted themselves into a situation they knew was extremely dangerous during the battle of mogadishu. They did so without regard to their own lives(they were killed when their position was overun by somali militiamen) to protect the crew of a downed blackhawk helicopter.
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Post by Hellmark » Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:15 am

Venomous wrote:Thirdly, in response to Mike's theories on sporting "heroes", I couldn't agree more - I think the very term "sporting hero" is a disgusting oxymoron which is highly indicative of the decline of our society.
There are a handful of sports players that I would classify in the heros section. While they are really few and far between, there are some that use their notariety and large salaries to help very good charitable causes. I wouldn't call them heros because they're famous or good at sports, but rather what they do off the fields. But that kinda falls in to what you said "regardless of why they are famous". There are a few people in my area whose names live on long after they died, due to their non sports activities.

As far as jailbait's comment on the Beetle, uhm, Ferdinand Porsche was the one who designed it. If you've ever looked at the drive trains on early porsches and the bugs, you'd see they're nearly identical. Porsche had also been working on it's concept prior to the Third Reich asking him to build that type of car (he just didn't have the funding to produce it large scale till afterwards). Yes, there was a car produced earlier called "Der Deutsch Volkswagon", but it its simularities were pretty much just cosmetic. I mean, if you have people with similar backgrounds producing like cars (small, economical cars meant for families) they'll pretty much feature many similar things. If you want to say Porsche Ripped anyone off, look more at the Czech Tatra rather than the Superior. As far as the name goes, well, how many times have companies tried selling something as "America's Car" or something like that? Plus the fact that it wasn't even called Volkswagon untill after World War II, when the British Gov't (who controlled it at the time), wanted to ditch the Nazi names.

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Post by MP81 » Tue Jul 11, 2006 3:35 am

Ahem...

According to my book, Car Wars: "The Volkswagen Beetle was conceived not by Dr. Ferdinand Porsche, father of the legendary sports car, but by a Czech engineer, Hans Ledwinka. Adolf Hitler admired Ledwinka's air-cooled, rear engined Tatra automobile, cajoled Ledwinka into making him detailed drawings, then passed them on to Dr. Porsche. Porsche went on to glory, Ledwinka died unknown, and Volkswagen sold over 16 million Beetles."

And of course the underpinnings are going to be the same with Porsche's car, as his Porsches were based on similar parts as the Beetle.
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Post by Hellmark » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:18 am

Well, thats a bit of conjecture, since there really isn't any proof that detailed drawings were made of the Tatra and given to Porsche, and I'd only heard such comments being made about the Superior, since the creator of that was pulled from his job as editor of a magazine and his company was shut down, since he was jewish and his designs were similar to the Beetle's and very well liked before his escape from Germany. Ferdinand Porsche did work directly with Ledwinka, which is were the Tatra lawsuit came in at, since he wasn't credited for his part in the design. Which if you look at the Tatra T97, you have to admit there is conciderable influnce from Ledwinka.

Also, as far as the drive train, Porsche didn't later base his Porsche designs off it, but rather used the designs he'd already been using for the Beetle's drivetrain. Saved him time and money, since he already had a setup that was reliable and well tested.

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Post by Venomous » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:45 am

Take it to another thread guys, article threads should at least TRY to stay slightly on topic...

I couldn't disagree more with Keith and Kyle's comments about "sports heroes". For starters, NOT being a junkie and a rapist, when the stereotype of your profession says you should be, doesn't make you a fucking hero. I didn't murder anybody today - I'm a hero! The fact is, many if not most famous sports players DO take all kinds of drugs, beat/molest/sexually harrass/rape their wives/girlfriends/mistresses/hookers/fans, and just being one of the few who DOESN'T does not alone make you anything that a slightly more decent human being.

As for how they spend their money, I personally don't believe that how one spends one's money has anything to do with being a hero. Except possibly in extremely intense circumstances - ie. multi-mega-billionaire gives up entire fortune to cancer foundation and his money directly funds research which results in a successful cure, etc. But just being philanthropic in a general sense is not heroic, in my opinion. Many, many people give to charity, and whether you're a little old lady who buys a $1 ribbon on SIDS day, or a baseball star who gives a million bucks to starving orphans, you're still not Jesus. Unless you're taking literally from your own mouth to feed somebody more hungry than you, so to speak, then philanthrophy is just a balm for a capitalist chafed conscience.

I do, however, completely agree with Jason's post. I didn't mean to imply that I think that ALL police, doctors, and firemen are heroes just because of their job title - in fact, I think many are corrupt scumbags and arrogant assholes. But as I said, it's those who put their lives on the line knowingly - the SWAT teams, the battlefield medics, the firefighters who run into a blazing building to save a little kid - those are the heroes.

It's interesting the way Jason put that stuff about 9/11 - I'd never thought of it that way before. Just being first on the scene when the dispatch call comes through to do your job, does not alone make you a hero. It's your actions once you get there that make the difference. Me, I would have turned tail and fucking bolted like Godzilla was chasing me...

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Post by MP81 » Tue Jul 11, 2006 1:53 pm

Venomous wrote:Snipers are awesome. I wish I was a sniper.
As do I.

If you're a sniper for, say, the SWAT team, it's a very safe job. You sit in a building waiting to pull the trigger on someone...
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Post by Hellmark » Tue Jul 11, 2006 4:20 pm

You have to have alot of respect for snipers, its a very hard job. The actual tasks they perform may be simple, but emotionally its very draining. Can you imagine being the sole one to kill someone, and to also watch the person die, in high definition, zoomed right in? Watching their skull explode.

Plus, if you were a military sniper, you'd sometimes have to hide, not moving for days, waiting for your kill.

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Post by Venomous » Tue Jul 11, 2006 5:40 pm

That's why I have a lot of respect for snipers. Not only is their job extremely skill demanding, requiring a level of steadiness and dexterity that most of us will never achieve close to half of, but its also a very taxing position. Moreso, it's an important job to have - I mean, they don't call out the sniper teams just for crowd control, you know? Whether it's the marines, special forces, SWAT, what have you, the snipers are the ones called in when a critical threat needs to be dealt with, cleanly and quietly...
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Post by MP81 » Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:03 pm

Hellmark wrote:and to also watch the person die, in high definition, zoomed right in? Watching their skull explode.
Sure...that'd be interesting...

Speaking of nasty things in High Definition...

I was sitting on a couch programming a remote for a customer, and watching Discover HD on a awesome 50" Pioneer Plasma wall-mounted above the fireplace. Lo and behold, two bugs start getting it on! The images were permenantly seared into my brain as was the commentary; "The male insect inserts his penis into the female's reproductive organ"... Yeah, all in High Definition on a plasma...insanely disgusting...

Wow...we all got quite far off topic again...

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