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Post by Supernovae » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:41 am

<a href="http://www.socialdeviancy.com/cgi-bin/v ... .jpg"><img src="http://www.socialdeviancy.com/gfx/thumbs/deedeedee.jpg" width="120" height="120" border="0" align="left"></a>The alarm clock in your mind rings, indicating that it is time to go. You've waited for the ticket sale and managed, barely, to obtain one of them. A quick collection of self and you are off to The Comedy Club. The act you have been wanting to see has finally arrived. A smile shines brightly across your face.

The warm, clear sky and a sudden new carefree step has carried you from your home to the Comedy Club. A quick, determined arrival. The line took its' toll, but you manage to make it through to your seat. With a fresh drink in hand, the curtains fall to the floor like a soldier killed in combat. The lights dim to unbearable darkness, but you don't mind. The show has arrived.

The comedian, taking center stage, breathes hard for a few moments. A noticeable sweat glistens down his cheekbone. He removes his coal colored sport jacket, placing it gently down on the stool behind him, which was designed only to hold his glass of water. Marble gleams in his stage stare. It begins.

An eager anticipation lulls overhead by the comedian and the audience to entertain and to be entertained, respectfully.

The setup is being delierved, but wait... the setup sounds faintly familiar. Your attention has broken away from the comedian to recall that the setup has been used before by a different comedian. What's his name?!? Robin Williams, no. Richard Pryor, no. Eddie Murphy, no. Wait. Bill Cosby, YES! He said that same joke in Bill Cosby: Himself. Now your full attention has returned, even more intently now than before. Here comes the punchline..... BOOM. You can't believe what you are hearing. The same exact joke used by a different comedian nearly 20 years later. How outrageous!

In your enraged state, you get up and purposely knock over your drink. It spills onto some nearby lady. Big Deal you say. Your night is ruined - and her's should be too.

Several people including Joe Rogan have claimed that the famed Carlos Mencia, or known by his real name as Ned Holness, is doing - stealing other material and using it in his own act. Stealing another comedian's joke is certainly no laughing matter.

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I've always found Carlos Mencia's jokes to be rather piss-poor because the delivery of his stolen jokes is completely annoying. Carlos yells at the audience and when the audience is confused he yells at them and explains why the punchline should be funny. I have always been under the impression that comedy is about delivery, timing and being creative in your skit. Carlos is neither funny or original.

So, how does someone get famous from stealing another comedian's joke? Is it just the delivery that makes is possible for one person to obtain fame from another person's joke? Should musicians be scrutinized the same way?

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Post by seajayjay » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:47 am

well hey i like carlos's mexican beaner jokes and the sleets on his show and not much more.

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Post by MP81 » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:57 am

So it would seem...

On a similar note, Wikipedia notified me that Metallica's Kirk Hammett says that Papa Roach's "Last Resort" stole the riff from Iron Maiden's "Hallowed Be Thy Name".

I listened to both, and god damn, it's the EXACT same.
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Post by Hellmark » Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:29 am

Yeah, this has been going on for a while, and its fucking insane. Mean while, he still keeps going on, getting richer.

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Post by Venomous » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:40 am

When I was living with friends interstate, the whole stand-up comic scene was a big hit with them. These guys would go up the casino where Comedy Night was held, once a week religiously, and at the sacrifice of any other (sometimes better!) plans...

Now I admit, sometimes these comedians were kind of funny. I'm not normally into in-your-face humor myself, but I'd be lying if I said that I never once saw an act there that made me laugh. Some of them were just hilarious.

Others, however, were just sad, tired ripoffs of one another. mumbling the same hundred year old jokes into the microphone and looking like they're rather be at home in bed. Comic material gets passed around so much to the point where even what WAS funny once, is no longer so.

On another note, speaking of entertainers, I've always been awad by <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT-_2oAdN40" target="_blank">Chris Bliss</a>, the man who did the impressive juggling routine to Beatles songs, "Golden Slumbers/Carry that Weight/The End".

If you look Chris up on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/" target="_blank">YouTube</a>, you'll see two things in abundance. First of all, you'll see thousands of comments of praise for his skill, and then you'll see as many or more comments passionately declaring that Chris is dirt compared to <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYUXaYCkv-A" target="_blank">Jason Garfield</a>.

Now granted, Garfield's routine on YouTube is very impressive. He juggles more balls than Bliss, and arguably some of his moves are more complex than some of Bliss's.

What burns me though, is that this cockhead is blatantly ripping off Bliss's act and hook right down to the letter. Rather than wow the world with his own material, Garfield is famous on YouTube for being the guy who ripped off Bliss's concept and routine and then did it himself, albeit with an extra ball and some more moves.

That's about as pathetically low as you can get, I think. I mean really, who is Bliss to him? What did he do to have some stranger shit all over his signature act?

I want to point out, though, that despite being possibly more complex, Garfield's attempt to copy Bliss has one glaring flaw - Bliss actually juggles to the beat and tempo of the music, and as the music pace changes throughout the act, he keep on juggling to the beat and never drops a move or a ball.

Garfield, however, just juggles. His routine is impressive, but it would have been exactly the same whether done to Golden Slumber, God Gave Rock 'n' Roll To You, or the theme from Sesame Street. And yet still, he makes a big issue of how Bliss is crap, and half the YouTube community have taken their sides and refuse to budge on them.

Anyhow, that seemed to me like a textbook case of one entertainer flagrantly ripping off another's material. Get an original idea, Garfield. You've got serious talent, but you come across as a sad hack when you try and rip-off Bliss's routine and make it "better"...
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